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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:02:00 -
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Your hulk only has tech I guns on it though.
Where as your rapier gets Tech I IGuns, a faction probe, a cyno generator and a cover ops cloak.
Danny John-Peter wrote:This Again...
Sigh
[Rapier, Shield Standard] (I AM A ******* DEDICATED COMBAT VESSEL)
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Stasis Webifier II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M
Cynosural Field Generator I
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
26K EHP Before Links
[Hulk, Tanked Hulk] (I AM TANKED PROPERLY)
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
32k EHP Before Links
(Also, if attacked, heat invuls for 36k EHP and even better resists)
Now you see, that seems awful unfair, nerf hulks IMO
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:08:00 -
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Show me a respectable Hulk tank with tech II strip miners and a roid scanner.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:19:00 -
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Well i'll be damned lol
It still has 8,000 cargo hold too.
baltec1 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Show me a respectable Hulk tank with tech II strip miners and a roid scanner. [Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Use a +4 implant to fit. 29k tank. You can use more implants to get the tank even bigger.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:27:00 -
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26,700 EHP Iteron Mark V with 15,500 m3 cargo hold lol.
Passive Regen: 114
Resists: 75.9, 77.2, 72.8, 77.4
[Iteron Mark V, Tank]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:53:00 -
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I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion.
For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants linked in his/her signature.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I would ignore Tippa, he is one of those people who does not understand that "my opinion" is not the same as "the only opinion" or "the truth" . It is in fact just another random person's opinion. For more random opinions, see Tippa's rants No you don't ingnore Tippia. She's so incredibly predictable and totally blindfolded in her opinions you can bait her to post whatever and bump threads forever.
And he does not take losing an argument very well, as I can attest 
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.11 19:56:00 -
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I would imagine that a raw EHP build will surpass any attempt to active tank in a gank situation.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:00:00 -
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Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not 
Oh and cargo bay genius.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:02:00 -
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Fish Hunter wrote:A properly tanked hulk can survive most ganks
Problem becomes that in 15min the gankers just increase their force, and win
A corp member of mine had a attempted gank on him one day, he was tanked with approx 22k ehp. The gank failed and he smiled. The next day he moved to a different system, the same guys found him, brought 4 destroyers instead of 2 and blew him up.
Then maybe he should have marked them as red, bookmarked them and payed attention when they entered system. Yea?
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
575
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:06:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not Oh and cargo bay genius. Ore yield when dead: 0 Ore yield when alive: 900/second Jetisson your cargo and come back in an Iteron V.
I'll let this one go because seem new to EVE 
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
576
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:16:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Aranakas wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Did you bother to compare ore yield? No, I guess not Oh and cargo bay genius. Ore yield when dead: 0 Ore yield when alive: 900/second Jetisson your cargo and come back in an Iteron V. So the gankers don't gank your hulk but your Iteron V to lough again as they doestroyed all your work within second? An Iteron V costs like 5mil. 5mil and some ore is a lot better than 500mil and some ore if you were flying a Hulk. I used to mine all the time in an Osprey before I realized mining was a boring **** profession. If I could do it in a cruiser, you can do it in a battleship.
I'll field this one anyway to prevent others from accidentally believing in your stupidity. I once tried to do the same thing in a Ferox (which did better then a retriever in terms of ore) and then a Rohk. For starters, do to how broken mining is all by itself, you might as well get out and try to make isk by using a shovel instead. It is not going to be worth the time. You then add to that hauling the ore and travel time, and so it gets even worse if you're on your own. Which you will be because mining ops want ore ships.
After the fact, people eventually figure out that your "that guy" who always uses jetcans. You will warp away to your Iteron only to find out that, when you get back, the other guy has move all of the ore you just mined into their can (but they named it yours). So you can no longer get to the ore, and so then you need to get back to more mining. End result, it does not work in reality. Reality. That is an important thing for some of you to consider, because things don't always turn out the way your little brains imagine it to.
Reality.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
576
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Posted - 2012.04.11 20:25:00 -
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The Actual Problem
...seems to be two fold.
1, miners do not understand the principle of "tank" because mining is a profession that does not connect to PVP skill in any way shape or form. Alternatively, someone should have figured out how to tank the hulks by now, and it should be common knowledge. People figured out optimal incursion fits fast enough now didn't they?
2. mining in general pays at such a **** poor rate, that miners see a fit without mining enhancers in their lows to be a waste of time. Truth is, mining is a waste of time and not maximizing ore yield per hour is an even bigger waste of time. So in order to curb the broken mining mechanic, they end up flying expensive and tankless paper bags.
The Real Solution
Is that a tanked Hulk should be able to make a reasonable profit comparable to other professions in the same sec status of space. But in order to do that, bots would have to be addressed. It is not about Hulks, or gankers... it's actually about the damn bots killing mining and the economy.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
580
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Posted - 2012.04.12 00:16:00 -
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They will not buff the hulk, but they are trying to better mining and they are changing the way aggression works everywhere. Who knows how these things combined will effect the game in the long term.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
582
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So the question remains: so what if it can be ganked by a couple of destroyers? What's the problem?
The answer to your question is... drum role... do enough people care enough about it to create a big enough of a stink, to make CCP care about it? If the answer is yes then it becomes a problem. If not, then there is no problem. Reason being? CCP is a reactive real life corporation and does not give a damn about people's arm-chair-forum-warrior game balancing. They care about profits and a happy, sedentary (and let's not forget cowed) player base. That goes for miners, PVP'ers and "spy masters" alike. Anyone willing to happily hand over their credit card information. It does not matter what their personal reasons for doing so are, so long as they do it.
Reality of EVE in a nutshell.
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